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BrokenSymmetry · Jul 16, 2005, 04:06 PM // 16:06

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Originally Posted by Megumiko

Besides, I can list a whole host of real games that are 1) online and 2) do not charge monthly fees. Are they MMORPGs? No. But they maintain servers and matching systems and the like.

Games like: Raven Sheild, Halo2, Doom3 and dare I mention the king of server matching and chat rooms? Battlenet.

Please note that Halo2 (and almost all other multiplayer console games) work on a peer-to-peer model, which means that the game is hosted by one of the players, and there are no dedicated game servers. This, of course, gives all kind of problems in lag and cheating.
The whole matchmaking process for Xbox games is done on hosted servers (the XBox Live servers), and for that you pay $5 a month.

Aniewiel · Jul 16, 2005, 04:29 PM // 16:29

Perhaps with regard to Halo and Halo 2, they are speaking of the PC version? Also, UT and UT2004 have hosted, dedicated servers though not provided through the developers.

But, as said, dare anyone smite me for so saying: Battle.Net set the standard for free hosted server gameplay. Since most of the ANet people are ex-Blizzard employees, I salute their efforts to maintain that very high and very equitable part of gaming.

Stev0 · Jul 16, 2005, 05:45 PM // 17:45

Charging a monthly fee for game that already is in play and messed up is a sure fire way to have nearly everyone leave. Then try to get those 12 people in the largest town to play with you on missions.

roboky · Jul 16, 2005, 10:17 PM // 22:17

Even in pay to plays there are scammers, hackers, and gankers.

Nad · Jul 16, 2005, 10:49 PM // 22:49

Go play WoW, this is the dumbest thread i've read so far

Zubrowka · Jul 17, 2005, 02:05 AM // 02:05

If a monthly fee means fewer self-righteous teenagers that go around calling people idiots and morons, I would pay.

Age · Jul 17, 2005, 02:23 AM // 02:23

If this happened goodbye GW for me i don't like play 2 pay if other games stopped doing this it would ease up on GW.This way others who were for eg. playing WoW and came to GW would go back to WoW.

theclam · Jul 17, 2005, 02:38 AM // 02:38

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Originally Posted by Zubrowka

If a monthly fee means fewer self-righteous teenagers that go around calling people idiots and morons, I would pay.

It doesn't, look at WoW.

SOT · Jul 17, 2005, 02:43 AM // 02:43

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Originally Posted by Talesin Darkbriar

Don't even get me started; there's been enough threads on the average IQ of the atypical GW player, and its in the single digits.
(No, your normal or high IQ doesn't compensate for the other 99%)

If I cannot flame or set flamebaits, neither can this kid

Iras K · Jul 17, 2005, 02:46 AM // 02:46

I read most, but I'm not gonna read all this thread. I'm just gonna say that the only one ultimate solution to all the problems in guild wars is a rank for PvE.

The same way as one can say in PvP, stay away from my party if you can't /rank, well, stay away of my party if you can't /pverank (or whatever should it be).

And for sure, neft lornass pass. But that's another topic.

Mental note: send this to arenanet staff.

SOT · Jul 17, 2005, 02:49 AM // 02:49

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Originally Posted by Talesin Darkbriar

/steers the topic back on subject...

The main idea of charging a monthly fee (as described above) is that it rids the game of many (if not most) of the undesirable people who are not playing Guild Wars to enjoy it, but rather to cause the grief of everyone else present.
Plenty of posts here regarding this. It's common.

Show me the grief you are suffering that cannot be avoided, and you might sway me to your point of view.

I have never had a problem ignoring a moron in-game. I certainly have never been "griefed" into a logout fit of rage. I have never been stalked, as jumping districts in the middle of someone's tirade would compel them to expend far too many neurons to track me down and annoy me. I certainly never engage in back and forth rhetoric with a tard, I simply tag them on ignore and go back to whatever it is that I was doing beforehand.

So tell me, what is the plague of griefing that you feel would be curbed if people suddenly were forced to pay for a game they bought with the premise of its "revolutionary" non-fee based system of play mechanic? I am all atingle with anticipation.

You see, what many people say like you did, about facing grief-players, is absurd. It has nothing to do with jerkoffs in-game, and everything with your apparent inability to handle social change and uneasy situations. If you cannot ignore someone, then you have to seriously ask yourself where your gripe is truly coming from.

It's not them, it's you.

SOT · Jul 17, 2005, 02:54 AM // 02:54

And another thing to think about...How is your obvious negativity about "99%" of us out here in GW land going to curb negativity IN THE GAME?

Fascinating.

Miss Innocent · Jul 17, 2005, 03:00 AM // 03:00

I'd have to quit GW. Having more money doesn't make you a nicer person. Neither does having a credit card.

If you can afford a monthly fee, then congradulations, you are lucky.

Monthly fees won't get rid of jerks; I don't know why you'd think they would. The real jerks aren't the little kids, but they are the spoiled children of parents with too much money. Now does a monthly fee get rid of them?

TheIrishman · Jul 17, 2005, 04:05 AM // 04:05

I'm sorry, on all the forums I belong to, I attempt not to do this sorta thing, but I must say this:

Jump off a bridge.
A tall one.
Onto sharp rocks.
Please with sugar on top.

Guild Wars + Subscription Fees = Every Other MMORPG Out There.

I mean, I know alot of people want some of the WoW features implemented in GW, but this is definately the first time I've heard someone wanting the fees brought over!

drowningfish999 · Jul 17, 2005, 05:00 AM // 05:00

Considering Guild Wars isn't even technically a MMORPG, it isn't really fair to charge a fee for it.

sunny_g · Jul 17, 2005, 06:07 AM // 06:07

Though a fee be
every moon taxed
you shall not find:
fewer the fools.

crazy diamond · Jul 17, 2005, 06:38 AM // 06:38

Who the hell dragged this dead horse out for a beating?

Philedius · Jul 17, 2005, 01:11 PM // 13:11

Look at the bright sides: GW is not drowned in morons like in Runescape.

Edge Martinez · Jul 17, 2005, 08:20 PM // 20:20

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Originally Posted by Talesin Darkbriar

If you can cough up $50 for the game, $7 is skipping one lunch at McDonalds - come on, its not unreasonable.

It is unreasonable. Very unreasonable. Know why? They said they wouldn't charge and I like McDonalds.

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4.) A monthly fee adds a "legitimacy" to Guild Wars that non-players assume does not exist.
My dork friends are all still playing EQ2.
Why?
First of all, they spout "Guild Wars only has 20 levels - how could it possibly be any good." (I send screenshots and they tell me they are doctored lol...)
Secondly, their logic follows, "And they don't even charge a fee to play it, so we know it's not any good."

That is so... ... ... there is no nice way of saying retarded, is there?

Old Dood · Jul 17, 2005, 11:53 PM // 23:53

I respect Talesin Darkbriar for taking the heat with posting this thread. I do not know if it will work to charge a fee. He at least is trying with ideas.

However to get rid of the CRUD players in this game and others. They need to be aggressive. Arena-Net needs to get tough. I suggested a Police Force. People shot that down. If Arena-Net would have some type of online/real time force in place they could weed out the CRUD.

I would also suggest to have people banned on the spot (after thier warnings have been used up.) Once the players have been banned, then have the characters publicly executed. A beheading by guillotine, hanging, etc. For warnings they can be put in stocks for a X amount of time. We can then throw tomatoes, rocks, etc at thier characters.

Just another idea.

EDIT: Stoopid typ0s